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Zaida's avatar

When we look back on it, the 'rules-based international order' died in 2003. We just didn't notice. Well now we can no longer pretend. Over the past few days I've read a lot of commentary and listened to a lot of centrist dad podcasts and it's honestly a bit sad, the bewilderment and confusion with which our pundit class greet the unforgiving realities of our new world. Mouthing platitudes about deescalation and international norms like sorcerers repeating failed spells; quibbling over the details of legal esoterica like medieval theologians debating scripture.

I don't want to go right over the edge into complete cynicism (though I am close to that edge) but I really do worry that our leaders simply do not comprehend — or know how to act — in a world where impunity is naked and unapologetic. And even if they did, I fear our systems are too sclerotic, too diffuse, too brittle to respond.

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Marco Annunziata's avatar

Simon a few things I would take issue with here, which I guess is good because otherwise we agree too much.

As Zaida also notes, the collapse of the rules-based order started a while ago: think Russia v. Crimea and Georgia, or China's aggressive stance in the South China sea. It predates Trump. Far be it from me to excuse Trump, but I think pointing the finger at him minimizes the problem. Four years from now Trump will be gone, but the decline of the West will continue.

I'm not sure the idea of an economic NATO extending into other areas would work. Europe's focus on economic issues has enabled Russia's aggression in Ukraine, for example. The decline of the West you describe is an issue of principles, and those principles are in full-fledged crisis domestically, and not just in the US. I am thinking of the tendency to curb free speech (especially obvious in the UK and Germany) and a rising discomfort with democracy itself when voters choose "unpresentable" parties. These need to be faced and solved if the West is to regain any kind of global leadership.

But, I completely agree that this decline is one of the most important features of the current moment. I had thought of it as a sunset of the West, but your "death of the west" while perhaps less poetic does seem more accurate.

(btw, I now wonder if we might have overlapped in Caracas!)

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